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Author Topic: Police State Checkpoint Nullification in Upper Moreland, PA  (Read 297 times)
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« on: June 19, 2012, 05:24:48 AM »

The problem with these checkpoints is that they're warrantless, arbitrary searches. This goes against all standards of civilized behavior and is not tolerable in a free society.  Not only are checkpoints violating our rights they're not effective. "Traditional police patrols are three times more likely to locate genuinely impaired drivers than these suspicionless checkpoints," according to James Babb, founder of the Valley Forge Revolutionaries. "So not only are these checkpoints blatantly immoral and illegal, they're also a waste of police time and tax dollars. It's long past time someone took a stand for fiscal responsibility, the rule of law, and plain common sense."

http://theinternationallibertarian.blogspot.com/2012/06/police-state-checkpoint-nullification.html
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« Reply #1 on: June 19, 2012, 06:58:43 AM »

It might be better to station these checkpoints where real crimes occur daily.  Places like legislatures, courts, central banks, most government agencies and major party political conventions immediately come to mind.  In these settings it’s said people are usually high on OPM (other peoples’ money). 

I’m curious about something.  I understand that not responding to police questions gives them nothing to work with.  But what if the police ordered a protester to show some ID or to hand over their smart phone?  I assume that no one carried ID, but smart phones do carry some identifying information and more and more police departments now have readers that plug into the USB port and can extract the contents of phones.  What about that situation?
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« Reply #2 on: June 19, 2012, 02:42:23 PM »

Protests can be cathartic and informative.  But an alternative is for the protesters to run for office as trustworthy, reputable Libertarian candidates and get elected to the government bodies overseeing the police departments conducting the checkpoints.  Then the protesters can direct those police departments to cease and desist, and might influence public policy in all sorts of other Libertarian ways while demonstrating to future voters how LP members can be responsible stewards of public responsibility.

But waving signs at oncoming traffic can be awesome too, I suppose. 
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« Reply #3 on: June 20, 2012, 10:34:02 AM »

It might be better to station these checkpoints where real crimes occur daily.  Places like legislatures, courts, central banks, most government agencies and major party political conventions immediately come to mind.  In these settings it’s said people are usually high on OPM (other peoples’ money). 

I’m curious about something.  I understand that not responding to police questions gives them nothing to work with.  But what if the police ordered a protester to show some ID or to hand over their smart phone?  I assume that no one carried ID, but smart phones do carry some identifying information and more and more police departments now have readers that plug into the USB port and can extract the contents of phones.  What about that situation?

First, Mark, I'm sorry to disappoint you but no one got tasered.  Smiley

I thinked I'd just stick to the silent treatment to the bitter end. They should back off if they know they have no legal grounds to stop you.
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« Reply #4 on: July 07, 2012, 11:45:13 PM »

THIS IS WHAT MAKES ME PROUD TO BE LIBERTARIAN! Grin
I LOVE TO PISS OFF THEM NAZI COPS! Grin
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