I see they're up to their old tricks...

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I see they're up to their old tricks...

« on: August 18, 2008, 01:04:13 am »

Typical. They did the same thing to Nader. I hate the fact that more voices can't be heard in the election process.

I got this from my Myspace page. It was a bulletin from Barr...

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.."I would not ask for your help if the circumstances were not so dire."

No, those are not my words; those are the words of John McCain in a letter he sent to supporters this week, despite having raised $27 million in July.

If Sen. McCain thinks his situation is dire, he would not get out of bed in the morning if he were dealing with our situation.

..- We've raised less than $1 million
- We're blocked from upcoming debates
- We're polling at 6% nationally
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No, John McCain could not handle our situation.

But our man, Bob Barr, isn't slowing down and now he's fighting mad.

This Saturday, Senators Barack Obama and John McCain will take the national stage for their first combined national event.

It will take place at Saddleback Church in Orange County, California.

For the past several weeks, we have put in requests and phone calls to the church's pastor, Rick Warren, who was quoted this week in Time Magazine as saying, "I want what's good for everybody, not just what's good for me.
Who's the best for the nation right now?"

Unfortunately, Pastor Rick Warren doesn't care to know the true answer to that question as he has willingly excluded Bob Barr and other candidates from his forum on Saturday.

After weeks of negotiations and calls to Saddleback Church from leaders from every corner of the political spectrum supporting Bob Bar's inclusion, we've been left out in the cold.

The only people getting into the event are Obama, McCain and those who reportedly paid $500 to $2,000 to the church to sit in the audience.

Yesterday, I reported to former Congressman Barr that we've exhausted every avenue. I told him, "We've had calls placed to Pastor Warren from very powerful leaders from the left and the right, we sent in our personal request, and placed numerous phone calls that have not been returned. You are not going to be included.

"Our only option left is to threaten to file an temporary injunction as our attorney's believe they are in violation of the law."

Bob responded by saying, "No, don't threaten to do that . . . Just do it."

As you read this, our attorneys are filing an injunction against Saddleback Church to include Bob Barr in their forum this Saturday.

You are the first to hear about this.

The complaint is based upon a violation of McCain/Feingold campaign finance legislation.

While we're no fans of that legislation. However, we don't write the rules, we're just forced to play by them. In this case, we're using McCain/Feingold to our advantage.

The reason I am disclosing so much to you is because this is just the beginning.

At every way you look at it, we're at a disadvantage.

..- We are being blocked from the national stage by the media, debate commissions and now even groups like Saddleback Church.

- Both the campaign and our party have put most of its manpower and money into getting on the ballot in every state.

- And we have our hands tied behind our backs by laws like McCain Feingold that benefit the two major parties.

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But none of that matters.

We have a candidate who is worth fighting for and that's is exactly what we're going to do.

One way or another, Bob is going to get his message of liberty out to our nation.

We now have lawsuits active in Oklahoma, West Virginia, Massachusetts and now California to challenge the obstacles thrown in our way by the two-party system.

We're also waging media battles as Bob continues his Midwest tour in Chicago and St. Louis this weekend that will be interrupted by a trip to Orange County, California.

And we're not slowing down.

The only way to break through the two-party strangle hold is to fight them at every opportunity.

I need your help to continue our efforts.

Our ballot access battles have left our coffers nearly dry and I need you to make a donation today.

Please make a donation right now
and help us continue our efforts and fight with every step that we take until Election Day.

Please make your most generous donation today and give as much as you can up to the maximum limit of $2,300.

Thank you for your loyalty, your generosity and for your commitment to liberty.

Sincerely,

Russell Verney

Campaign Manager

P.S. According to campaign finance law, our campaign is still in "primary election" season and donations made before the Republican Convention will be counted against the primary limit of $2,300. You can give another $2,300 for the general election.
If you can, try your best to reach or get close to the $2,300 limit today or at least before the Republican Convention. If you want to know how close you are to the limit, please call us right now by dialing 1-800-Bob-Barr.


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Re: I see they're up to their old tricks...

« Reply #1 on: August 19, 2008, 10:14:22 pm »

And again...

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The Transcript of Our Little Battle with USA today

Body: The "jury" is still out on this one...will post the outcome tomorrow.
We could use your help read the blog or bulletin from yesterday:
Thanks

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(First Message from USA Today)

On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 10:54 AM, Cooper, Patrick .. wrote:

Bob Barr 2008,
I work in the USA TODAY newsroom connecting readers and reporting, and I'm writing to let you know about an issue with your account on our site. Our moderators have suspended your account after determining your comments do not meet the community guidelines.

The site welcomes a broad array of perspectives in the community's conversations, and these differing opinions are what lead to strong and engaging discussions. But we require original contributions that are respectful of an ongoing news conversation. Your comments repeatedly violate the site guidelines against advertising and spam. Other readers correctly report these comments as abusive, and the moderators feel it is necessary to intervene. Thank you for your time.

Regards,
Patrick
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(Our first Response to USA Today)

Subject: Re: Issue with USA TODAY account

As you were. Each comment that has been made under this identity has been relevant to each article that the comment was posted. Apparently either you have not read the substance of comments, or this is an act of censure regarding informing the public that there is a viable third party candidate. I have re-reviewed your terms of service. Unless USA Today, consider's the Presidential bid by Bob Barr a commercial enterprise, I cannot see how this can be interpreted as "spam" even with a url posted with the article comments to further direct those that are interested to obtain more info on a candidate that will be on 49 states' ballots. Not any of the content posted can be construed as malicious, abusive, or otherwise contradictory to the stated objectivity of opposing or different views by USA Today.

I request specific clarification of the alleged violations, and a point of contact for your legal department so that information can be forwarded to the Official Campaign Staff for further consideration.

Thank You,
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(USA Today's Response Received Tuesday Morn):

Thanks very much for your e-mail. As I noted in my initial message, neither the content of your comments nor the contents of your link were issues in the account suspension. Where the account ran into the community terms of service was the repeated posting of the link.

We ask our members to contribute original content each time they post. The repeated posting of any type of material -- politically related or not, promotional or not -- runs into the guidelines and draws quick complaints from other readers (of all perspectives). Even when this repetition is alongside other content, the moderation team has to act. It has to handle this guideline evenly across our online community, from big-time dating site spammers on down.

If you could continue posting without the repeated link promotion, I can certainly look into the moderation process for you and see about reactivation. There were no other troubles with the account. Suspensions on the site are indefinite, but that policy allows our moderators to reactivate accounts whenever appropriate. They're often happy to do so if they can be assured of no further issues. I hope this information is helpful to you.

Regards,
Patrick
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(Our Final Response to USA Today)

Thank You for your response.

Just to make sure I understand correctly. USA Today requests the deletion of a pasted url that would direct interested citizens and voters on where to go for more information on their balloted choices. Ironically, enough almost 10,000 of your readers have viewed the video link in question. In addition USA Today asks all who contribute to contribute original content, so as not to be repititious or repeat a belabored thought, political ideology, conspiracy theory, etc.

That is quite interesting, given the often contentious and oft repetitive content that is posted by other readers who "contribute" to your contents (to include pasted url's). Your statement of USA Today policy has been noted and will be complied with. However, I trust that your "moderators" will utilize a more even "handed" approach to such. Quite frankly, it seems from this end that the actions encountered seem to be the result of the effectiveness of the contributions made (as opposed to judicial enforcement of stated policy). This campaign has have to overcome hurdles of exclusivity exercised by the two mainline parties in regards to exposure to the public via media outlets (including yours). Thus we have had to resort to unconventional methods to inform the public about another choice they will have on the ballot on Election Day. I am sorry Mr. Cooper, but this really seems to be another constraint upon providing the citizen, the voter, and most importantly your readers information about their lawful choices. Perhaps naive, but I would have thought that some exception would have been made for a candidate, who perhaps does not have the mega budgets of the Republican or Democratic Candidates, nor the "lions share" of media exposure.

I do appreciate your identification of USA Today's policies and where it stands in regards to making sure that the reader is informed of all its choices.

Links in question were:

http://www. youtube. com/watch?v=NxPrULE6dUU

http://www. bobbarr2008. com

It is my thought that despite the "repetitive" nature (less than 30 posts over a 7 day period) would be contradictory to USA Today's openly stated mission of providing its readers to most and best information available.

Thank You,
Jesse Runions
http://www. myspace. com/bobbarrforpresident


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Re: I see they're up to their old tricks...

« Reply #2 on: August 20, 2008, 04:52:09 pm »

It's really so simple, isn't it?

Tell people the truth and everyone will fight to prevent you from speaking out.


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