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« on: August 01, 2008, 05:32:28 am »

Does anyone know if the contents of the LPPA Discussion Group will be archived on this forum?  Will that discussion group remain archived in its current location and for how long?  Here is the discussion group archive I'm talking about:

http://server1.talos4.net/pipermail/discussion_lppa.org/

What will happen to this?

I suppose the same question goes for the Yahoo LP-Board contents.

Mark

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« Reply #1 on: August 02, 2008, 08:22:36 am »

Mark,

As per the boards motion, the old discussion list is slated for deletion.  The board has addressed the matter twice.  No one thus far has made a case for archiving the posts to that list as far as I know.

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« Reply #2 on: August 02, 2008, 10:27:35 am »

Dave,

How long will the old lists be available?  I would like to check them and probably put a few choice month's in my personal records.  I hope I'm not too late.

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« Reply #3 on: August 02, 2008, 11:23:29 am »

In a few minutes you can download the archives by month by clicking on each month's link in the "Downloadable version" column. Easy peasy.

I reviewed the last few month's threads and thought I'd share some observations from a newcomer:

- I don't think anyone won or lost the argument over whether there should be a forum or lists. It's entirely arbitrary. The people who like the list, why don't you start your own list under your own control? Problem solved. I prefer a forum because the barrier to entry for newcomers is smaller and because the signs of activity are very easily observable to newcomers. Also, all the forum content can get indexed by google, making the entire website more prominent. But there is no reason people can't have a list either. We're Libertarians aren't we? We can take the initiative to each do as we see fit as long as we don't step on others' rights.

- I was under the impression that LP-PA was just inactive. But it's not. It has just as much stupid spiteful infighting going on as do LPers nationally. I was repulsed by the spiteful, capricious warring going on on the mailing list. Yeah we're individualists but we're also free traders and we need to value the concept of collaboration, which is voluntary trading of time for mutual gain. Arbitrary decisions forced on others and pointless defeatism and spitefulness is not going to advance the cause of liberty.

I originally came to the LP via Ayn Rand and Ron Paul. I supported RP's run, and when it became obvious he wouldn't win I chided the RP fans that talked about writing him in. When they said they planned to take over the GOP, I laughed and told them they should join the LP instead. I'm regretting that a little now, because frankly the LP looks like a big mess to me. It's running very few candidates and there is endless infighting. There is even a splinter group, the Boston Tea Party.

I put together this website in my spare time over the last few days: http://libertarianpartycandidates.us/

Painfully few candidates are being fielded. And more than a few are not libertarians. I don't have to tell you how few PA is fielding. I know ballot access is very hard in PA, but that's just one more reason to work together, instead of fighting amongst ourselves so much.
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« Reply #4 on: August 05, 2008, 07:29:19 pm »

Great site George!

We actually had more district candidates start the ballot access process then drop out than actually made it on the ballot this year. It's a tough process and one that people have to be committed to do.

I'm sure you are aware that there are some in the LP who believe that running candidates should be a low priority and only done in extraordinary cases. In my opinion, participating in the electoral process by running candidates is the main advantage the LP has over other organizations to promote the cause of Liberty.

The decision to drop the email lists as official communication methods was taken primarily to try and bring the discussions together. There is no doubt discussions can be spirited, but at the end of the day we want to be able to bring people together and move forward as an organization to promote Liberty through the political process.

There is a huge gulf between the two old parties and any challenger party, and we need to change that dynamic if we are going to have any hope of restoring Liberty in our commonwealth and our country through peaceful, evolutionary means. That is why I remain a part of the Libertarian Party even though it may seem at times to be more disorganized than anything else.

Mik Robertson

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