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« on: July 04, 2008, 02:39:52 pm »

Ron Paul’s Statement on HR 6304, the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) Amendments       
Written by Gary Franchi     
Monday, 30 June 2008 
by Ron Paul
20 June 2008

Madam Speaker, I regret that due to the unexpected last-minute appearance of this measure on the legislative calendar this week, a prior commitment has prevented me from voting on the FISA amendments. I have strongly opposed every previous FISA overhaul attempt and I certainly would have voted against this one as well.

The main reason I oppose this latest version is that it still clearly violates the Fourth Amendment of the Constitution by allowing the federal government to engage in the bulk collection of American citizens’ communications without a search warrant. That US citizens can have their private communication intercepted by the government without a search warrant is anti-American, deeply disturbing, and completely unacceptable.

In addition to gutting the fourth amendment, this measure will deprive Americans who have had their rights violated by telecommunication companies involved in the Administration’s illegal wiretapping program the right to seek redress in the courts for the wrongs committed against them. Worse, this measure provides for retroactive immunity, whereby individuals or organizations that broke the law as it existed are granted immunity for prior illegal actions once the law has been changed. Ex post facto laws have long been considered anathema in free societies under rule of law. Our Founding Fathers recognized this, including in Article I section 9 of the Constitution that “No bill of attainder or ex post facto Law shall be passed.” How is this FISA bill not a variation of ex post facto? That alone should give pause to supporters of this measure.

Mr. Speaker, we should understand that decimating the protections that our Constitution provides us against the government is far more dangerous to the future of this country than whatever external threats may exist. We can protect this country without violating the Constitution and I urge my colleagues to reconsider their support for this measure.


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« Reply #1 on: July 04, 2008, 05:56:22 pm »

From Bob Barr’s web site on surveillance and FISA.

http://www.bobbarr2008.com/articles/6/cast-a-wary-eye-on-surveillance-efforts/

Cast a wary eye on surveillance efforts

by Bob Barr   March 12, 2008

It's become a cottage industry —- scaring the bejesus out of the citizenry in an effort to push U.S. House members into following the example of their Senate counterparts and pass legislation giving the administration legal authority to secretly surveil phone calls and e-mails of U.S. citizens in this country without court approval.

Surveillance advocates from President Bush on down are disingenuously mischaracterizing the law —- and the already vast power of the government to gather intelligence information electronically —- in order to gain the votes needed to send such legislation to the president for signature.

To set the record straight, here are some key points concerning the surveillance powers of government —- current and desired:

Q. Despite the fact that the House has not yet caved to the president and the Senate and permanently expanded the power of the government to surreptitiously surveil Americans' international calls and e-mails, is our government still able to conduct necessary foreign intelligence surveillance?

A. Yes. The sky has not fallen and will not fall. The government has had and continues to have robust power and lawful authority to monitor calls and e-mails of known or suspected terrorists.

Q. As an American citizen within the United States, aren't my calls and e-mails protected against the government listening in, unless the government suspects me of unlawful activity, including working with or communicating with terrorists?

A. Such calls should be, and are, protected against warrantless surveillance by the 30-year-old Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. However, under the "Protect America Act," in effect from August 2007 until the middle of February of this year, the government was given vastly expanded power to listen in to any of your calls or e-mails, so long as a government official "reasonably believed" one party was outside the United States. In other words, any call you made with or e-mail you sent to, someone in another country —- a friend, a relative, a business associate or anyone else —- could be monitored by the government without any suspicion you were doing something wrong or that you were conspiring with a member of al-Qaida.

Q. Is the government listening in on my calls regardless?

A. Probably. Even though FISA requires the government to first get a court order to listen in to your calls, this administration claims it has the inherent right to ignore the law and eavesdrop on Americans' calls anyway.

Q. Don't we want the government to be able to listen in to calls if a terrorist overseas is talking to someone in this country?

A. Of course; and the government can already do that.

Q. Why should people overseas have the same protections against the government monitoring their conversations as U.S. citizens inside the United States?

A. They don't, and they shouldn't have. This is one of the big lies the administration is pushing. Protections against warrantless surveillance that properly extend to Americans within the United States do not extend to persons overseas. In other words, the government can listen in to conversations taking place outside the U.S., regardless of whether the House adopts the same expansive legislation already passed by the Senate.

Q. But wasn't there a problem with a secret court decision last year restricting the government's ability to listen in to persons overseas?

A. Yes, and that problem should be addressed legislatively. Calls between two persons not in the U.S. that happen to be routed through a switching station inside the United States should not be subject to the warrant requirements of FISA just because they were routed thusly. However, that problem can be resolved very easily by a specific and limited change to FISA —- a change that does not require the vast expansion of surveillance powers sought by the administration.

Q. What about this question of granting telecommunications companies immunity for disclosing their customers' private calling information to the government without proper authority?

A. Companies, just like individuals, should not violate the law, regardless of their motivation. Legislation allowing companies to violate the law just because a government official asks them to would set a terrible precedent we would come to regret mightily.

Q. Finally, are those House members who are raising questions about the expanded powers the administration is seeking doing so for partisan reasons?

A. No. The objections they have raised are principled and reflect important, nonpartisan values: respect for the Fourth Amendment, limits on executive-branch power and fundamental privacy concerns.
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