The problem bd is that Barr needs more than 124 votes six of them coming from David. If people who ideologically agree with Barr can not get out and enthusiastically support him, who will. If you go back and read the discussions on the LPPa forum just after the convention you will find a few disappointed people. 124 is a pretty small sampling and I would say represents the more election minded folks.

Samantha

The answer to any question is always grey.  There are those that see absolute white and those that see absolute black, but the rational mind sees grey.

This topic is why we need to put all of our cash over the next 6 years into a marketing campaign for the party. Then and only then when the rest of America is educated (those who choose to be, I should add). Will we start landing the body blows to the other parties.
We've made it way to easy for the other parties to dismiss us, or paint us as anarchist conspiracy whackos. Unfortunately the people who call the talk shows are usually lunatical radicals who end up making us look really really bad. Did I say really? I mean really really really bad.

Why not vote for Bob I can give you ten outstanding reasons why not. I can also give you ten outstanding reasons why you should as well.

Finally for Mr. Loper I would feel a bit of pity for ol' Scotty Boombotty but I know the story is a bunch of moose poo. I lived in Canada five years. My wife is Canadian. I know Canada and if the slightest hint of torture hit anywhere near the Canadian public you would have nation wide pandemonium and the most unbelieveable whinefests in the parliment. The nation would come to a stand still with government investigations. Not to mention were talking Canadians and torture. That's like catching Karen Carpenter at the all you can eat buffet (that was probably in poor taste, then again "taste" probably not in the best tas....well you know what I mean). And the whole steam story, come on! Everone knows it leaves too many marks. If you want to do it right get some copper wire....well you know what I mean.

Come on peeps lets talk about making Liberty sexy again, rather than all this mucky muck.

People tend to fall into one of the following categories.

1. Those who believe 9/11 was an inside job perpetrated by the U.S. Government.  This group demands further investigation.

2. Those who see 9/11 as a defining moment in our history who believe there are many unanswered questions about the events of that day. They would like to see a more exhaustive and comprehensive investigation.

3. Those who are content with whatever they've read in news reports and/or the 9/11 commission report. Many in this group are equally content with the notion of dropping bombs in the middle east or anywhere else.

4.  Those who slept through 9/11 and never read the news.


As I stated previously, I tend to fall into the second group.  Unfortunately, time is running out for conducting such an investigation and much of the evidence (not all) of what happened that day is already gone.  I'll never understand why our government and the American people didn't demand a full investigation.  Who were those terrorists?  Who funded them?  When was money wired to them and from what accounts?  Why didn't the FBI act on information it had?  Who was responsible for the decisions made in our intelligence communities?  The list goes on.

I will never understand why our government and my fellow citizens didn't demand a full investigation of this matter. Frankly, anyone that isn't in group two concerns me.

Having said all of that, this is not a fight our party should take up.  The bulk of our countrymen seem to fall into groups three and four above.  They are content. 

If anything, the reaction to 9/11 shows us how complacent many of our citizens have become and how important it is for us to convey respect for the concepts of freedom.  We need to focus on restoring the yearning for liberty that seems to have escaped our fellow citizens. 

David Jahn

I think I have fallen into group 5 over the past 7 years.

It is what it is. It's not a question of why or how or even who for that matter, It's where are we at now.

The Northern Europeans had a great system for the passage of time and I think if we looked at it this way we could put a lot of things to bed. They didn't believe in past present or future. TIme was just what is and what is becoming.

So what are we becoming? What am I going to help us become? What little insignifigant choice that I make today without a second thought where is it going to lead me or the guy behind me when he realizes I bought the last roll of toilet paper on a holiday weekend.

Maybe there is a fifth category:

5.  Government is so big and has so many rules, procedures and laws that it’s becoming difficult to do anything without being in conflict with some rule, procedure or law. It’s not surprising to see two rules or laws in conflict with each other.  One unintended consequence is that any such conflict, even innocent ones, carries with it the appearance of a sinister intent.  Another unintended consequence is that any such conflict, especially sinister ones, is much easier to hide in a big government setting.

Big government is a natural environment for generating questionable activities both unintentional and intentional, both brilliant and stupid, both good and evil.  No wonder there is such a rise in conspiracy theories. 

So what the answer?  I think the LP has had the answer all along.  At the risk of sounding a little self-serving, go here:  Go here: 
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07070/768347-110.stm 
and page down to read “Downsize it all.”   

Smaller government means fewer conspiracies -- both real and imagined.

Mark

PS to Dave – This didn’t post again. I got thrown out.  I did keep a copy in another application to post again.