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« Reply #15 on: June 15, 2008, 08:29:50 am »

I'm not saying that Nuclear power plants do not need to be regulated in some way. What I'm saying is that you can not build a nuclear plant, do it exactly the way the government tells you to and when it is finished be told that you can not use it. The supposed sticking point was not being able to evacuate Long Island if something went wrong. Nobody of course thought of this before LILCO spent $6 billion to build it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoreham_Nuclear_Power_Plant

Power generation companies want guarantees from the government that if they build a plant that they will be able to use it. The government refuses to give any guarantees. Deadlock!

Bird lovers of course will put up obstacles to wind power. Solar works but it still makes oil look cheap and energy storage technology still is not up to covering for nights and cloudy days.

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« Reply #16 on: June 15, 2008, 11:26:13 pm »

Well, we can certainly increase drilling, but the problem with gas prices isn't necessarily "speculation" or reduced supply. Yes, those two play a factor, but the real issue is our dollar's value.

For example, let's look at this chart:


As you can see, when you plot the cost of oil compared to the world value of gold, the idea that cheap oil is gone is really a myth. In fact, it has hardly increased since the 1940s! What has happened is that our wonderful politicians think that it was a nice idea to be able to print & borrow as much money as possible. Therefore, the value of our dollar tanks and the price of everything goes up. I'm not saying that we should return to the gold standard as there are problems with that, but we need to make sure that Congress is fiscally responsible. Otherwise, we're going to face a huge economic crash that will be far worse than the Great Depression and this time, we'll have our huge deficits on top of everything else.
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« Reply #17 on: June 16, 2008, 11:31:48 pm »

I'm not saying we can be self sufficient right now but we can be if we develop off shore drilling, more domestic sites and tap into shale oil such as the formations in Colorado and Utah as well as the Bakken formation.  We must take these steps for the short term (30 or so years) while other industries develop.  Nuclear needs to be implemented much more ASAP as well. 
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« Reply #18 on: June 17, 2008, 06:46:02 am »


So, in my opinion, it is not worth sacrificing even one acre of land for marginal gains in petroleum production. I've always been of the opinion that the only long-term solution to the diminishing availability of petroleum is solar power. Solar power plants powering production of hydrogen fuel-cells will power our vehicles, or we will have none. It is the only answer. I don't want to see more scarred Earth over diminishing petroleum reserves, such as these shale deposits would case.

I agree !  Also wind power.  I'm afraid that all of the efforts made in the last few decades to help and maintain our environment are just going to be cast aside to save a few pennies on gas !  Not to mention the nation could be fueled completely on hemp oil !
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« Reply #19 on: June 17, 2008, 05:16:06 pm »


So, in my opinion, it is not worth sacrificing even one acre of land for marginal gains in petroleum production. I've always been of the opinion that the only long-term solution to the diminishing availability of petroleum is solar power. Solar power plants powering production of hydrogen fuel-cells will power our vehicles, or we will have none. It is the only answer. I don't want to see more scarred Earth over diminishing petroleum reserves, such as these shale deposits would case.

I agree !  Also wind power.  I'm afraid that all of the efforts made in the last few decades to help and maintain our environment are just going to be cast aside to save a few pennies on gas !  Not to mention the nation could be fueled completely on hemp oil !

Industrial Hemp being illegal is something I'll never understand.
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« Reply #20 on: June 17, 2008, 05:41:28 pm »


So, in my opinion, it is not worth sacrificing even one acre of land for marginal gains in petroleum production. I've always been of the opinion that the only long-term solution to the diminishing availability of petroleum is solar power. Solar power plants powering production of hydrogen fuel-cells will power our vehicles, or we will have none. It is the only answer. I don't want to see more scarred Earth over diminishing petroleum reserves, such as these shale deposits would case.

I agree !  Also wind power.  I'm afraid that all of the efforts made in the last few decades to help and maintain our environment are just going to be cast aside to save a few pennies on gas !  Not to mention the nation could be fueled completely on hemp oil !

Industrial Hemp being illegal is something I'll never understand.
Yes, just imagine how much quality doobage would be ruined if there was pollen floating all over the place from industrial hemp that won't get a fly high.
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« Reply #21 on: June 17, 2008, 09:53:34 pm »

Solar and wind get us what, 3% of our energy?  With hundreds of billions invested and massive land use we might, might get to 10-15%.  What if it's cloudy, what if not wind?  Our solution is right under our noses with Nuclear.  There is a reason the French get over 75% from Nuclear and have so much they sell overage to Spain.  China and India are building nuclear.  They will have cheap labor and cheap power in 5 years. 
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« Reply #22 on: June 17, 2008, 10:44:43 pm »

Start drilling.
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« Reply #23 on: June 17, 2008, 10:49:30 pm »


So, in my opinion, it is not worth sacrificing even one acre of land for marginal gains in petroleum production. I've always been of the opinion that the only long-term solution to the diminishing availability of petroleum is solar power. Solar power plants powering production of hydrogen fuel-cells will power our vehicles, or we will have none. It is the only answer. I don't want to see more scarred Earth over diminishing petroleum reserves, such as these shale deposits would case.

I agree !  Also wind power.  I'm afraid that all of the efforts made in the last few decades to help and maintain our environment are just going to be cast aside to save a few pennies on gas !  Not to mention the nation could be fueled completely on hemp oil !

Industrial Hemp being illegal is something I'll never understand.
Yes, just imagine how much quality doobage would be ruined if there was pollen floating all over the place from industrial hemp that won't get a fly high.

I got into an argument with a Police Officer on another forum who didn't know that Industrial Hemp can't get one high and it eliminates the THC in nearby MJ plants with THC.
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« Reply #24 on: June 17, 2008, 11:37:06 pm »

Absoutely we need a combination of sources in the long term.  Short term expanded drilling and nuclear are going to be our best bets.  Great point about wind being useless in areas not having wind.  It goes the same for solar in certain places of Alaska where it's dark for long streches of time.  Energy solutions should be left up to states, and there's a Constitutional basis for that as well.  We have enough coal here in PA to provide enormous amounts of energy.  I think the Ethanol mistake is becoming more apparent with the floods unfolding out in the midwest.  All those subsidies to Ethanol artificial limited the corn crop as it was, making everything from cereal to meat more expensive, and now with a large portion of the crops that are still left standing earmarked for ethanol the impact is that much worse.  Crop dieases, weather patterns, etc, are much riskier and have a much larger chance of failing for energy needs, especially ones that also serve as substinance.  Even worse, with an already critically over budget government, FEMA responses are going to be terrible in the Midwest, and we've been so over taxed, and have seen our market so mainpulated by government intervention that the amount of money we'd be able to give to charities to help out those poor people is even more diminished. 
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« Reply #25 on: June 25, 2008, 07:08:18 am »

Here's our candidate:

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« Reply #26 on: June 25, 2008, 01:09:17 pm »

I agree. A combination is very important. Nuclear scales up very well and is efficient in that area, but not good for small areas. Solar & wind fill that very nicely.
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« Reply #27 on: June 25, 2008, 09:14:27 pm »


So, in my opinion, it is not worth sacrificing even one acre of land for marginal gains in petroleum production. I've always been of the opinion that the only long-term solution to the diminishing availability of petroleum is solar power. Solar power plants powering production of hydrogen fuel-cells will power our vehicles, or we will have none. It is the only answer. I don't want to see more scarred Earth over diminishing petroleum reserves, such as these shale deposits would case.

I agree !  Also wind power.  I'm afraid that all of the efforts made in the last few decades to help and maintain our environment are just going to be cast aside to save a few pennies on gas !  Not to mention the nation could be fueled completely on hemp oil !

Industrial Hemp being illegal is something I'll never understand.
Yes, just imagine how much quality doobage would be ruined if there was pollen floating all over the place from industrial hemp that won't get a fly high.

I got into an argument with a Police Officer on another forum who didn't know that Industrial Hemp can't get one high and it eliminates the THC in nearby MJ plants with THC.

Man, I hope you taped that.  Ignorance is bliss
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« Reply #28 on: June 25, 2008, 11:37:57 pm »

nuclear, solar, wind....but what about hydrogen?

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« Reply #29 on: June 25, 2008, 11:46:49 pm »

Hydrogen would a great fuel source as well.  Honda is rolling out their vehicle towards the end of this year in California and we have hydrogen technologies being developed here in PA as well.   Clean coal should also be used.  The only way to break the back of our dependence on foreign oil is to develop oil and other fuels here as well.  Solar will be key for us long-term.  We will still need oil for many, many years and need to be pragmatic on this.  Better to develop our own sources.  It will greatly help us become self sufficient as well as strengthen the dollar.
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