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Author Topic: Bob Barr - I Was Wrong About The War On Drugs -- It's A Failure  (Read 1163 times)
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« Reply #15 on: June 12, 2008, 06:02:42 am »

David,

How many hard drug users have you known? In my younger days growing up in NY I knew a few too many. People who are addicted don't quit because they are pregnant, people on drugs (even those who drink alcohol too much) tend to be careless with what they leave laying around the house.

I'm not saying that this justifies the governments policies. I am saying that there needs to be some safeguards to protect the innocent. A 10 or 13 year old is not going to apply for emancipation.

John may have been addressing something other than my question. When people here answers like that though they get very turned off to your legalization message. Having the best political philosophy is all fine and good but you need to gain the voters hearts and minds. How many times in the last two decades have you heard, "It's for the children."

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« Reply #16 on: June 12, 2008, 06:58:08 am »

John,

Do you have any idea how cold and heartless that sounds. So crack babies are fine with you, this is not a form of Abuse? Kids getting contact highs from pot smoking parents is merely a suck's to be you situation? Small children taking their parents drugs that are left laying around the house is just ducky?

Peace and Love,
Samantha

I honestly cannot remember what I was responding to with my statement, but I in no way intended to say that children do not deserve protection from substance-abusing parents.
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« Reply #17 on: June 12, 2008, 07:07:33 am »

Samantha,

I've seen my share of addicts including women who simply couldn't care less about their pregnancy.  I'm not sure what the best action is for dealing with women who continue to abuse drugs while pregnant.  Surely, some kind of intervention would seem appropriate.  Leaving drugs laying around young children could be considered endangerment.

Your initial question didn't bring these issues to mind, and I doubt John's as well.  So, I still read his response as reasonable.  

I hope that helps.

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« Reply #18 on: June 12, 2008, 09:05:22 pm »

These kind of communication issues I think is why Conservatives and Libertarians often have a difficult time getting the women's vote. I think a mother would have understood what I was getting at from the very beginning. It is not my intent to chastise or berate any of you, I do think though how questions are answered, can turn people off.

As of this point I don't have a solid answer or I would not have asked my question. I think I can dish up quite a bit for your policy committee to chew on.

How popular is the Libertarian party among women? It would seem that most of the folks who post here are men. Not that there is anything wrong with men, just that men and women look at the world differently.

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« Reply #19 on: June 12, 2008, 10:46:43 pm »

I can't change my stance on heroin, cocaine, etc.  I simply can not do it.  Either way we're talking about pouring in massive amounts of money and effort, whether for clinics, education, etc.  Obviously we'd want to educate and pray that no one makes these mistakes, but drugs that are nearly immediately dehabilitating need to be pursued and disallowed from society.  It's a far cry from medical marijuana to heroin.  I'm not in the party as of yet, I'm a 50-50 split in philosophy between conservative and libertarain, so I can't speak for the popularity among women.  I know mothers and fathers have a different view than I and a different perspective, as I'm still young yet and don't have any children.  That being said, I don't think there's a communication difference when discussing issues, though sometimes people phrase things in means that are not expressed in the best of ways, I know that because I have had this problem myself on occassion. haha.  In terms of women's vote and men's vote, I've never understood why the media is so obsessed with breaking everyone into catagories, what matters is opinions on issues.  What the media did in the Democratic primary fueled sexism and racism, and I think it spoke volumes that they were the party that has all these issues, they rule identity politics and blew up on them.  I don't believe free market advocates have these problems as what matters is the substance of the argument and the validity of argument.  I think people who study issues and debate on philosophical issues and facts, such as nearly everyone I have spoken to on here, conservatives, and libertarians, don't have this issue.  Mental and spiritual aspects are more important than physical aspects for sure and I think that because an emphasis is not given to specific individual groups its misinterpreted as neglecting the groups, so perhaps something is missing for us (or maybe just me) to illustrate that idea.
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« Reply #20 on: June 13, 2008, 06:46:25 am »

Caomhin,

So what is your solution? If zero access is your goal, what will you do to achieve it? The present "war on drugs" is a failure, I'm not trying to convince you that these drugs are good, I'm telling you that how we deal with them is not stopping the problem, is expensive and curtails the liberties of non drug using citizens. The present system is a pipeline of cash to violence and other criminal activities worldwide.

In what way do you see the Libertarian solution making the problem worse? What would you do since the "war on drugs" is not working?

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« Reply #21 on: June 13, 2008, 07:48:40 pm »

I advocate turning toward a system like that of Portugal's.

http://opioids.com/legal/index.html


It basically consists of decriminalizing all current illegal narcotics and reducing penalties to fines and treatment for the more serious group. Just like alcohol, public consumption and public intoxication would be a misdemeanor. Drug abuse would be treated as a "social and health problem rather than a criminal one."
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