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« Reply #15 on: June 13, 2008, 09:08:57 pm »

My bottom line on this and other intoxicants, is get as high as you want, but don't expect me to pay for your treatment, broken car, rotted liver, etc.  You want to drive or go to work that's fine too, but as soon as your impaired judgment hurts someone else, you get the book thrown at you, no questions asked.
I'll second all of these positions.
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On a side note, why not have extra low cost Health Insurance policies for the responsible ONLY.  Non-smokers, no recreational drugs or booze, monogamous, no hi-risk activities i.e. rock climbing, sky diving, auto racing.  How would that sit with a Libertarian view?

It fits perfectly.  Insurance companies should be able to tailer their policies to the markets they serve. You want to smoke, do drugs, engage in risky hobbies, etc. you pay a higher premium.

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« Reply #16 on: June 13, 2008, 10:03:25 pm »

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Yes, the parties are very similar.  I am like you and checked out both parties long ago.  I have read long and hard and the war on drugs is a failure because of government enforcement and driving the price up, thus gang violence like prohibition.  Also, I think with school prayer we differ.  The difference (in my opinion) is each parent should decide where to send their school, religious or secular. My kids will NEVER go to a government school but a school where they pray, teach morals (as i teach at home) and have uniforms.  I feel our founders did not put the word God in the Constitution or Bill of Rights for a reason.  As a church going man myself, I want religion out of government schools for the very reason I don't want the Koran or Hinduism taught at government school.  I also pro-life and you should check-out this website, libertarians for life.  http://www.l4l.org/

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« Reply #17 on: June 14, 2008, 12:36:15 pm »

I smoke cigarettes, I fully expect to pay more for insurance, as I should.  I feel you though, we should not be footing the bill for others except in our risk category.  If I assume risk it should be pooled with smokers.  Drug users with drug users, etc.  That's the risk management aspect of insurance.  I refuse to have my tax money or insurance funds go to abortion (of which I am morally opposed to) or to pay for another person's drug addiction.  Drug addiction centers can be opened and run by charitable organizations and that's fine.  The government should offer limited run facilities but don't forget people do make the choice to engage in the risky behavior in the first place, again, I know because I smoke, and I should probably quit, but I know and accept the risks involved.  Morally, however, I do not think I should be helping to pay for needles for addicts out of tax money, etc.
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« Reply #18 on: June 17, 2008, 12:46:15 pm »

LMO -

Yes, the parties are very similar.  I am like you and checked out both parties long ago.  I have read long and hard and the war on drugs is a failure because of government enforcement and driving the price up, thus gang violence like prohibition.  Also, I think with school prayer we differ.  The difference (in my opinion) is each parent should decide where to send their school, religious or secular. My kids will NEVER go to a government school but a school where they pray, teach morals (as i teach at home) and have uniforms.  I feel our founders did not put the word God in the Constitution or Bill of Rights for a reason.  As a church going man myself, I want religion out of government schools for the very reason I don't want the Koran or Hinduism taught at government school.  I also pro-life and you should check-out this website, libertarians for life.  http://www.l4l.org/

Peace out.

The FF may have left GOD out of the US Constitution because it should be left to the States to decide to fund public education, and States MAY have a State religion i.e. Rhode Island and others.
If the current school system will not allow my children to hear about the historical references to my Christian faith, then do not force me to pay for your secular-faith system and have me jump through hoops when we decide to withdraw our kids to educate them ourselves. 
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« Reply #19 on: June 17, 2008, 05:47:55 pm »

That is the essence of personal resonspibilty.  You go to the doctor for any reason, especially if it is self-inflicted, you pay....not me.  Why do we have so many overweight people?  Because they are not charged a premium for being overweight.  (how many overweight amish are there?)   

Ride without a helmet, sorry, your paying up.  Not wearing a seatbelt, same thing.  Sex and have children and aids, sorry...I did the right thing, I work, go to school, pay my bills....why should I pay for your illegitamate child, their welfare and healthcare costs (socialism)? 

Could go on and on.  Smoke, DUI, drugs, sky-diving, solo-aircaft, mountain climing, build a home in flood zone, promiscous sex, porn, gambling......personal responsibily.  You pay when you play.  Don't expect me to say your tail.
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