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« on: October 14, 2008, 03:06:04 am » |
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I want to extend my thanks to everyone here, ya'll have been very nice and inviting since I joined! I got interested in politics about 2 years ago and reading the beliefs of Conservativism I realised I'd always been a Conservative as it just seemed like common sense to me. But lately I think I'm leaning toward Libertarianism. What do you think?
-I'm for the smallest government possible without resorting to anarchy and nothing more, ever. -Lower taxes. -No universal healthcare. -I'm against earmarks, corporate welfare (the bailout bill) and the individual welfare state. -I believe the very last place you go to for assistance after you've exhausted all options is the federal government. -The Constitution is the supreme law of the US, very clear in its meaning and no amendment may be infringed upon. -I feel the Government should pull troops out of the over 130 countries my brothers and sisters are currently stationed in now and forever. We simply can't afford this cost. -I'm for allowing citizens to chose to "opt out" of Social Security as it is a bankrupt and failed pipe dream, hoping that in the future this program will be completely done away with. -I'm pro-choice, what a woman does with her body is none of my business. The only measure of this I oppose is partial-birth abortion. -I could care less about gay marriage, once again it's none of my business and the Constitutional Liberties apply to every person in the US. -I oppose the federal War on Drugs, it is a failed practice and the Government has no right to dictate human behavior.
On the Nolan Chart, it said I fit around a "Libertarian-Leaning Conservative". I identify more lately with Libertarians because although I'm a faithful Christian I feel the evangelical Right is tarnishing the Conservative label as well as the Republican Party and I can't stand for imposing my belief in Jesus on any other person, for any reason. So what do you think?
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« Reply #1 on: October 14, 2008, 08:28:43 am » |
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Thank you for your service, Marinejcksn. You sound like a very fine Libertarian to me. We should welcome all aboard who want to maximize individual Liberty and minimize the role of the government.
Mik Robertson
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« Reply #2 on: October 14, 2008, 10:53:16 am » |
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Thank you for the kind words Mik! I've done some searching and there are some strong GOP candidates out there besides RP, not many but a few. I'd like to some day in the future after I'm retired from the Corps try running for Congress in Pa. Lord knows we need more small government increased liberty individuals in Government. 
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« Reply #3 on: October 14, 2008, 12:22:09 pm » |
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I think you fit just fine in the Libertarian Party. There are those among us, however, whose purity test is more stringent. There are many libertarians who have given up on the party for this reason too.
What you have described mostly fit what is called "Minarchism". Minarchism states that government and taxation are necessary evils, but are evils nonetheless, and should therefore be minimized as much as possible. What government DOES exist should exist at the smallest, most local level possible, so that those in power are as directly accountable to the people as possible.
So, for example, National Defense is something that either must or probably should be handled at a national level. Education, on the other hand is not. So, pass it down to the state. That state can then decide if education REALLY needs to be handled at a state level. Well, it doesn't. So pass it down to the local level. Now that it's at a local level, there's a good chance that the people making decisions about your schools are people you actually KNOW. There's a chance you might have direct influence on them. Also, if one of them is incompetent or whatever, there are fewer people you have to convince of that fact to remove them from power.
What I support is a kind of mixture of Minarchism and Anarchism that I like to call "Voluntaryism." It basically works like this... Any government program would have to be directly funded by voluntary donation. If we truly NEED or want a particular government service, then we would pay for it voluntarily, wouldn't we?
Do we need a strong national defense? We sure do. If you got all your federal taxes back, and you were watching the Norman Swarzkopf support the troops telethon, you would give, wouldn't you? Of course you would. And so would large businesses and wealthy people who are interested in keeping that wealth. We would have NO problem funding our defense.
The other great thing about this, is that those agencies would now have REAL motivation to spend that money wisely. Since they can no longer get their funds at the point of a gun (coercive taxation) their funding is truly limited, so they must be frugal and efficient. They must also then be DIRECTLY accountable to the people. If they buy $600 hammers, the people will withdraw their support. So that kind of stupidity would go RIGHT out the window.
With other things that should NOT be the realm of government, government agencies would now be in direct competition with private charities and organizations. People will stop giving money to the Federal Welfare Department and give it to other, local charities because they are less wasteful, and do a better job of caring for the poor. For education, people who care about the poor getting into decent schools will not give to the Federal Department of Education. They will either give to the school of their choice so they can lower their tuition accross the board, start or give to a scholarship fund for needy children, or even better yet, they can simply pay the tuition bill of one of their poorer neighbors, and NONE of their dollars will be wasted by bureaucracies etc.
And all of this could be accomplished without the government using coercive force against anyone.
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« Reply #4 on: October 15, 2008, 05:50:14 am » |
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Klapton this sounds like something I'd really get behind if it were inacted, I love it. You know, this is when I knew I was closer to Libertarianism. When I suggested to Conservative friends of mine that we do away with every Federal program not listed in the Constitution to include the Department of Education they were like well we can't do that, how will we have schools? We didn't have these departments before, people became lazy and said it's not my job, the government should do it. We need thinkers out there like you friend!
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« Reply #5 on: October 15, 2008, 01:53:56 pm » |
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Here's a little observation (borderline off-topic) on schools that may come in handy in an argument. Many ask how will public schools be funded or how will they provide proper direction or how could they possibly work without government.
The answer hides in plain sight -- colleges, universities and trade schools.
These entities are a collection of private and state institutions. They educate millions daily. They work from both public, private and alumni money. They (some anyway) have been here in the US for generations, from long before the feds took over public education. And, for the most part, they employ instructors not part of a massive NEA or teachers union. They also leverage more advanced students to help with teaching. (Not perfect, but still OK.)
They champion self-paced learning (without instructors) for the more basic classes and have done so for decades. My school, CMU in Pittsburgh, had self-paced courses back in the 1970s! I took a self-paced course over the summer no less. Imagine finishing high school in two years with the selection of self-paced/on-line courses. Fewer teachers, faster graduation, lower costs, more time to focus on what interests you.
Some college instructors are preoccupied with tenure and funding more than teaching, that's sadly true. But if you're paying tuition you can try to switch to another instructor, or drop a class and possibly even get a partial refund. Try that in a public school.
So next time someone questions how education could possibly work without intimate government involvement, just ask them where do lots of kids go after high school.
The answer, and a compelling argument, hides in plain sight.
Mark
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« Reply #6 on: November 04, 2008, 06:14:36 pm » |
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Thank you for your service, marinejcksn, and God Bless you. 
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« Reply #7 on: November 11, 2008, 11:01:19 pm » |
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Thank you for your service, marinejcksn, and God Bless you.  Thank you very much! Just out of curiosity, you wouldn't happen to be a teacher would you? You look very familiar.
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