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« on: May 14, 2008, 08:39:14 pm » |
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Has anyone read/heard about a recent problem in Dickson City (Lackawanna County) last Friday? Briefly, members of a group called Open Carry dot Org went to Old Country Buffet in Dickson City, openly displaying their firearms in holsters. Some of the patrons had 'concerns' and went to the manager, who contacted the Dickson City Police Department. One person from the group was detained, and their weapon was confiscated. Links: http://www.ksccw.com/site/showthread.php?t=6748&page=4http://kumarian.livejournal.com/47476.htmlOne of the local radio personalities was on a rampage yesterday, and probably won't be happy until all firearms are banned for use by private citizens in Pennyslvania. He's on from 3 to 7 daily on 980 AM in the Wilkes Barre area, are on the station website, http://www.wilknewsradio.com/. Click on "Insiders Club", then "Listen Live". Feel free to call up Corbett and give him hell! |
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« Reply #1 on: May 14, 2008, 11:01:33 pm » |
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Brian,
Thanks for posting this. I have been following this, but have been to busy to share the story with others. Over the past month, I have actually been trying to enlist support for open carry events using different tactics. Instead of going to showing up at restuarants unannounced, I would rather do open carry public service events such as picking up trash at the park or river bed. We could let the law enforcement, media and public know in advance that we are going to have a open carry clean up day. Our goal should be to to have the public associate open carry with people doing public service.
Anyone interested in this type of event? I'm sure we can get people from other groups to participate.
David Jahn
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« Reply #2 on: May 15, 2008, 07:40:23 am » |
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There is just something about confronting law enforcement while carrying a weapon that just doesn't sit well with me. I am not putting myself in a position where I have to either relinquish my weapon or fire it. At this juncture, civil disobedience is not the best course of action, in my opinion. Besides, gun owners have been making a lot of progress over the past twenty years.
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« Reply #3 on: May 15, 2008, 08:02:24 am » |
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I carry, but I do not wish to open carry. I have no problem with others that do. It is not something that I am personally interested in. Positive work could be done in support of carry laws by speaking with congress about about allowing reciprocity between states with carry permits. I, or anyone, should be allowed to carry a concealed weapon in any state with the provision if I have a permit from my state to do so. I understand that we should be working to abolish the requirement to get a permit to conceal, (meaning I should be allowed to carry concealed without asking the government for permission) but one step at a time.
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« Reply #4 on: May 16, 2008, 06:33:51 am » |
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There is just something about confronting law enforcement while carrying a weapon that just doesn't sit well with me. I am not putting myself in a position where I have to either relinquish my weapon or fire it. At this juncture, civil disobedience is not the best course of action, in my opinion. Besides, gun owners have been making a lot of progress over the past twenty years.
John, Would it effect your opinion to know that open carry is legal in Pa. with a few exceptions There are people who are working to excercise that forgotten right. The only confrontations with law enforcement are with those who don't know the law. I feel the best way to educate them is to mix open carry with public service events. David Jahn |
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« Reply #5 on: May 16, 2008, 06:40:46 am » |
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I carry, but I do not wish to open carry. I have no problem with others that do. It is not something that I am personally interested in. Positive work could be done in support of carry laws by speaking with congress about about allowing reciprocity between states with carry permits. I, or anyone, should be allowed to carry a concealed weapon in any state with the provision if I have a permit from my state to do so. I understand that we should be working to abolish the requirement to get a permit to conceal, (meaning I should be allowed to carry concealed without asking the government for permission) but one step at a time.
John, I believe there is a bill in congress now that would force all states that issue carry permits to recognize the carry permits issued by every other state. Passage of that would be progress. Meanwhile, if you acquire carry permits in a couple states outside of PA, you can expand the number of states you are legal in. For example, Delaware and Ohio won't recognize a PA carry license. If you have a PA license and take the steps to get an easily obtainable Florida permit, you become legal in a number of states including Delaware and Ohio. The best site I've seen on the topic right now is www.handgunlaw.usDavid Jahn |
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« Reply #6 on: May 16, 2008, 07:27:11 am » |
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There is just something about confronting law enforcement while carrying a weapon that just doesn't sit well with me. I am not putting myself in a position where I have to either relinquish my weapon or fire it. At this juncture, civil disobedience is not the best course of action, in my opinion. Besides, gun owners have been making a lot of progress over the past twenty years.
John, Would it effect your opinion to know that open carry is legal in Pa. with a few exceptions There are people who are working to exercise that forgotten right. The only confrontations with law enforcement are with those who don't know the law. I feel the best way to educate them is to mix open carry with public service events. David Jahn Just about a year ago, a woman was sitting in her home, watching television, when suddenly, unannounced, men armed with guns and in ski masks burst through her door. The woman grabbed a revolver that she had nearby and fired at them in defense of her home and herself. She was subsequently shot to death by these men. These men were police officers who were erroneously told that the occupier of the residence was a distributor of drugs. They raided her home, bursting through the door without warning or without properly identifying themselves as police officers. The woman was not guilty of breaking any laws by defending herself with deadly force. Law enforcement was at fault. They were ignorant of the woman's rights, yet today she is in the grave. Having the right is not the same as having a right. Like it or not, if law enforcement can get away with trampling your rights in any given situation, you don't have those rights, no matter what the law says. At this point, I'd much rather not risk getting into a confrontation with other armed persons, much less law enforcement. I defend my life and rights with deadly force. |
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« Reply #7 on: May 16, 2008, 08:50:56 am » |
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John,
There is a long list of law abiding citizens who have been mistakenly gunned down by police. Perhaps the problem is that police don't encounter enough armed law abiding citizens. If they did, perhaps they would be more predisposed to the concept that law abiding citizens exercise a lawful right to arm themselves. Maybe they wouldn't be so quick on the draw.
Let's be clear. I'm not talking about unannounced events. I'm talking about events with prior public notice of the event and notification to law enforcement regarding the laws that permit it. The only confrontation that can arise from such an event is with those who oppose the law.
David Jahn
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« Reply #8 on: May 16, 2008, 09:33:39 pm » |
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John,
There is a long list of law abiding citizens who have been mistakenly gunned down by police. Perhaps the problem is that police don't encounter enough armed law abiding citizens. If they did, perhaps they would be more predisposed to the concept that law abiding citizens exercise a lawful right to arm themselves. Maybe they wouldn't be so quick on the draw.
Let's be clear. I'm not talking about unannounced events. I'm talking about events with prior public notice of the event and notification to law enforcement regarding the laws that permit it. The only confrontation that can arise from such an event is with those who oppose the law.
David Jahn I suppose. It just makes me feel mighty uncomfortable. I don't trust the police. They've only ever been there in the past to F me over. |
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« Reply #9 on: May 17, 2008, 07:56:44 am » |
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I suppose. It just makes me feel mighty uncomfortable. I don't trust the police. They've only ever been there in the past to F me over.
John, I'm with you there. My life experience is that most cops are arrogant and abusive. There are a few good ones, just not enough of them. I don't know what the answer is for that problem. It seems like cleaning that up ought to be a priority. I would like to hear any ideas people have for fixing that. David Jahn |
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« Reply #10 on: May 17, 2008, 08:55:30 pm » |
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I suppose. It just makes me feel mighty uncomfortable. I don't trust the police. They've only ever been there in the past to F me over.
John, I'm with you there. My life experience is that most cops are arrogant and abusive. There are a few good ones, just not enough of them. I don't know what the answer is for that problem. It seems like cleaning that up ought to be a priority. I would like to hear any ideas people have for fixing that. David Jahn Change human nature. Somehow make it so having "authoritah" and telling other people what to do no longer seems appealing to assholes. It's not going to happen. |
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« Reply #11 on: May 18, 2008, 02:29:47 am » |
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klapton has a good point, but I think that one of the most effective things that we can do is to diminish the scope of authority of law enforcement officers by ending drug prohibition -- or at least decriminalizing it to match that of the laws for alcohol -- and a whole host of other laws that are either small time crime or victimless crimes. Keep law enforcement working on the real criminal elements such as violent offenders, fraud, other similar crimes. Beat back gun control laws and establish a firm respect for the right of a person to defend his/herself and property with deadly force without requiring that the victim take a few deadly minutes to consider whether he/she might be sent to prison or sued in court for it.
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« Reply #12 on: May 30, 2008, 11:11:19 am » |
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Update on this... The Chief of Police for Dickson City has sent out letters to businesses in the borough to find out who allows and who does not allow open carrys, so the PD knows how to respond, or if to respond, if there are reports of some openly carrying a firearm.
Things should be getting intersting on talk radio because of this soon.
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