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« on: April 09, 2008, 08:29:44 am »

From U.S. Politics

http://uspolitics.einnews.com/article.php?nid=450969

McCain is also being challenged by a newly resurgent Libertarian movement. Largely unnoticed, Ron Paul die-hards in recent weeks all but took over Republican state conventions in Washington state and Minnesota, electing many of their people as delegates, guaranteeing a noisy Libertarian presence at the Republican national convention.

More threatening to McCain is the apparent decision of former Congressman Bob Barr of Georgia, a highly credible right wing spokesman, to run for president as the Libertarian Party candidate. Ron Paul won from 5 to 10 percent of the vote in many GOP primaries. A Barr candidacy, based on the same message and driven by many of those energized by Paul, could do serious damage to McCain.

Neither an evangelical candidate or a high visibility Libertarian on the ballot would likely challenge for any state's electoral votes. But as we saw in 2000 with Ralph Nader, even a few percentage points in closely contested states can tip the balance. In both the 2000 and 2004 elections, the outcome was decided by fewer than 6% in 18 states. Florida essentially split its vote between Gore and Bush, and Nader's 1 1/2% clearly made a difference.

And Libertarians, particularly, are using their new-found energy to heavily recruit candidates for Congress---also complicating matters for Republicans.

The presidential nominating campaign has been quite a drama. But it looks as if there are many twists and turns of the plot yet to go before we get to the final chapter.
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« Reply #1 on: April 09, 2008, 03:19:10 pm »

This is precisely why I am often torn about who I should vote for, in spite of being a registered Libertarian.  I fear that if I don't vote for the Moderately-Socialist candidate, the Decidedly-More-Socialist candidate will win.  And if they win this one, we'll be stuck paying for their monstrous Federal health care bureaucracy for which they've been longing for decades.
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« Reply #2 on: April 09, 2008, 07:11:07 pm »

This is precisely why I am often torn about who I should vote for, in spite of being a registered Libertarian.  I fear that if I don't vote for the Moderately-Socialist candidate, the Decidedly-More-Socialist candidate will win.  And if they win this one, we'll be stuck paying for their monstrous Federal health care bureaucracy for which they've been longing for decades.

I've come to the conclusion that is exactly why the country has veered of course.  We keep getting duped into voting for these major party candidates even though they don't defend our views. 

In the final analysis, it doesn't matter which of the major parties is in power, they both take us in the socialist direction.  If we limit our analysis to Reagan forward, there is not one redeeming quality about the republicans that makes them worthy of our vote.  At times, the democrats look more conservative.

I vote for every libertarian I can because they represent my views, and I have never regretted that decision.  I'm glad I didn't vote for Bush one, Bush two, Clinton, Gore or Kerry.

The reality may be that if everyone went out and voted for the candidate they believed the major parties may have collapsed years ago. Instead, we get caught up in the hype each election cycle and continue to elect these corrupt parties.

I believe the people have the power to make the change, they just don't realize or exercise it.  I also believe at least a third of this country is ready for a change.  If they voted that way, we would probably get it.

The only wasted vote is a vote cast for someone that doesn't represent your views.  What a pity. People don't seem to see that.

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« Reply #3 on: April 10, 2008, 05:50:56 pm »

I'm very hesitant about Gravel and Paul.  Aren't they too far from the Libertarian Party to be considered Libertarian?

Aren't they really just more Liberal and Conservatives in Libertarian dressing?
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« Reply #4 on: April 14, 2008, 01:51:59 pm »

Gravel, I don't like. Ron Paul isn't perfect, but he has it where it counts.
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« Reply #5 on: April 16, 2008, 12:38:27 am »

Ron Paul isn't in the picture. Both Bob Barr and Mike Gravel have significant experience in elected office, which is something no other LP Presidential candidate has.

No single candidate is going to be able to turn the country around, regardless of what elected office is gained. It will help, however, in more ways than one, To have more LP candidates elected to office.

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« Reply #6 on: June 04, 2008, 10:12:23 am »

This is precisely why I am often torn about who I should vote for, in spite of being a registered Libertarian.  I fear that if I don't vote for the Moderately-Socialist candidate, the Decidedly-More-Socialist candidate will win.  And if they win this one, we'll be stuck paying for their monstrous Federal health care bureaucracy for which they've been longing for decades.

Well I'm sitting here reading this because the day has arrived I think that the difference between Rep and Dem is not the size of government but merely who gets the patronage. I loose nothing by voting with principal, we need to send a message, we need to be heard.

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« Reply #7 on: June 04, 2008, 05:38:26 pm »

Well, at this point...

If Barr steals votes from Republicans and Obama wins, then perhaps the Republicans will wake up and recognize that if they want any chance of winning elections, they ought to pay more attention to us and perhaps that will draw the Republicans back into a more reasonable corner. I doubt it, but if we can destroy the Republican Party as a competing force by draining votes from them, then that is one down, one to go. Voting for McCain to pre-empt an Obama Presidency is slitting your own throat.

As Patrick Henry said,

"Give me liberty or give me death!"

not...

"Give me liberty or, at least not Obama!"
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