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« Reply #30 on: June 04, 2008, 04:13:02 pm »

My own two cent, Anarchy does not lead to chaos, it leads to Authoritarianism to avoid chaos.

I've been saying this for years and I've never heard it more well put.
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« Reply #31 on: June 04, 2008, 04:36:09 pm »

I know some of you folks are in favor of rampant drug use

No, we're in favor of rampant freedom use.

I don't think any of us want people to use drugs. We just recognize that every individual has the right to do with their lives what they please provided that they give way for others to do the same. Drug use has one physical victim; the user.
I can think of a few people who probably SHOULD mellow out and smoke a little weed.  Hillary Clinton is among them, lol.
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« Reply #32 on: June 04, 2008, 05:46:21 pm »

My own two cent, Anarchy does not lead to chaos, it leads to Authoritarianism to avoid chaos.

I've been saying this for years and I've never heard it more well put.

I'm a student of history and am not aware of a single example where it did not happen this way. Problems in our own Articles of Confederation led to a stronger federal government not a disillusion of the government.

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« Reply #33 on: June 04, 2008, 06:31:59 pm »

I know some of you folks are in favor of rampant drug use

No, we're in favor of rampant freedom use.

I don't think any of us want people to use drugs. We just recognize that every individual has the right to do with their lives what they please provided that they give way for others to do the same. Drug use has one physical victim; the user.

I appologise to generalise all Libertarians that way. I have met in my college days some quite stoned Libertarians, and that seemed the only important issue to them.

This is where I want a little more clarification on "victimless crimes", I have not read a clear cut list of these. Is DWI a victimless crime if the individual has not yet hit someone or knocked down a utility pole? Having known may drug users in my youth, I can say that many of them were not just destructive to themselves but were abusive to others. Where judgment is impaired stupid and dangerous things are done. Are they only to be prosecuted when they cross a certain line that may lead to someone else's death, with no attempt to be made at preventing that death?

If we concede that a drug user will use drugs and there is nothing you can do about it, is there no way to keep the general public safe from them?

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« Reply #34 on: June 04, 2008, 07:33:38 pm »

I know some of you folks are in favor of rampant drug use

No, we're in favor of rampant freedom use.

I don't think any of us want people to use drugs. We just recognize that every individual has the right to do with their lives what they please provided that they give way for others to do the same. Drug use has one physical victim; the user.

I appologise to generalise all Libertarians that way. I have met in my college days some quite stoned Libertarians, and that seemed the only important issue to them.

This is where I want a little more clarification on "victimless crimes", I have not read a clear cut list of these. Is DWI a victimless crime if the individual has not yet hit someone or knocked down a utility pole? Having known may drug users in my youth, I can say that many of them were not just destructive to themselves but were abusive to others. Where judgment is impaired stupid and dangerous things are done. Are they only to be prosecuted when they cross a certain line that may lead to someone else's death, with no attempt to be made at preventing that death?

If we concede that a drug user will use drugs and there is nothing you can do about it, is there no way to keep the general public safe from them?

Samantha

Well, you'd probably find that those same stoned individuals, though libertarian with regard to drugs, are more than likely father to the left on economic issues and perhaps further right on other social issues.
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