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 41 
 on: August 21, 2008, 01:18:45 am 
Started by Brandon Magoon - Last post by Brandon Magoon
This is what I thought was going on. Don't all 3rd parties in PA do this? In any case it's how we have always done it as far back as I can remember.

"The election code provides only one official time that the committee to fill vacancies acts, and the BCEL has never disagreed with any third party's committee performing substitution of federal candidates after filing."

So the LPPA is being challenged for obeying the law? When this gets thrown out as having no merit can we counter sue for court costs?

 42 
 on: August 20, 2008, 04:59:33 pm 
Started by Brandon Magoon - Last post by mjr91
The challengers aren't fighting the signatures.  They're fighting the substitution of the federal (President and Vice President) candidates, and the substitution date is a later event in the process.

I've reviewed the law the challengers are filing under and I do not believe that it really applies.  The election code provides only one official time that the committee to fill vacancies acts, and the BCEL has never disagreed with any third party's committee performing substitution of federal candidates after filing.  The challengers claim that the substitution should have been made at the time of the national convention selecting Barr and Root, and that therefore all petitions after the convention should have been changed and the earlier ones voided.  Which means that either all third parties would have to have their national conventions prior to the Pennsylvania signature gathering period in order to get sufficient valid signatures, especially in years when the signature requirement is high, or risk having no Presidential or VP candidates on the ballot.

 43 
 on: August 20, 2008, 04:52:09 pm 
Started by Tck13 - Last post by mjr91
It's really so simple, isn't it?

Tell people the truth and everyone will fight to prevent you from speaking out.

 44 
 on: August 20, 2008, 07:47:41 am 
Started by djahn - Last post by Ron Goodman
Barry,

I sent Lowman an e-mail asking for his help to expose the Republican's recent attempt to keep Bob Barr off the ballot.

 45 
 on: August 20, 2008, 04:23:25 am 
Started by Brandon Magoon - Last post by Brandon Magoon
What's this BS I'm hearing about the GOP trying to kick us off the ballot? How did the suite even get filed? Wasn't the deadline for this sort of thing last week?

 46 
 on: August 19, 2008, 10:14:22 pm 
Started by Tck13 - Last post by Tck13
And again...

     

 
Quote
The Transcript of Our Little Battle with USA today


Body:    The "jury" is still out on this one...will post the outcome tomorrow.
We could use your help read the blog or bulletin from yesterday:
Thanks

------------------------------------


(First Message from USA Today)

On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 10:54 AM, Cooper, Patrick .. wrote:


Bob Barr 2008,
I work in the USA TODAY newsroom connecting readers and reporting, and I'm writing to let you know about an issue with your account on our site. Our moderators have suspended your account after determining your comments do not meet the community guidelines.

The site welcomes a broad array of perspectives in the community's conversations, and these differing opinions are what lead to strong and engaging discussions. But we require original contributions that are respectful of an ongoing news conversation. Your comments repeatedly violate the site guidelines against advertising and spam. Other readers correctly report these comments as abusive, and the moderators feel it is necessary to intervene. Thank you for your time.

Regards,
Patrick
--------------------------------------
(Our first Response to USA Today)

Subject: Re: Issue with USA TODAY account



As you were. Each comment that has been made under this identity has been relevant to each article that the comment was posted. Apparently either you have not read the substance of comments, or this is an act of censure regarding informing the public that there is a viable third party candidate. I have re-reviewed your terms of service. Unless USA Today, consider's the Presidential bid by Bob Barr a commercial enterprise, I cannot see how this can be interpreted as "spam" even with a url posted with the article comments to further direct those that are interested to obtain more info on a candidate that will be on 49 states' ballots. Not any of the content posted can be construed as malicious, abusive, or otherwise contradictory to the stated objectivity of opposing or different views by USA Today.


I request specific clarification of the alleged violations, and a point of contact for your legal department so that information can be forwarded to the Official Campaign Staff for further consideration.


Thank You,
--------------------------------------
(USA Today's Response Received Tuesday Morn):

Thanks very much for your e-mail. As I noted in my initial message, neither the content of your comments nor the contents of your link were issues in the account suspension. Where the account ran into the community terms of service was the repeated posting of the link.


We ask our members to contribute original content each time they post. The repeated posting of any type of material -- politically related or not, promotional or not -- runs into the guidelines and draws quick complaints from other readers (of all perspectives). Even when this repetition is alongside other content, the moderation team has to act. It has to handle this guideline evenly across our online community, from big-time dating site spammers on down.


If you could continue posting without the repeated link promotion, I can certainly look into the moderation process for you and see about reactivation. There were no other troubles with the account. Suspensions on the site are indefinite, but that policy allows our moderators to reactivate accounts whenever appropriate. They're often happy to do so if they can be assured of no further issues. I hope this information is helpful to you.


Regards,
Patrick
--------------------------------------
(Our Final Response to USA Today)

Thank You for your response.


Just to make sure I understand correctly. USA Today requests the deletion of a pasted url that would direct interested citizens and voters on where to go for more information on their balloted choices. Ironically, enough almost 10,000 of your readers have viewed the video link in question. In addition USA Today asks all who contribute to contribute original content, so as not to be repititious or repeat a belabored thought, political ideology, conspiracy theory, etc.


That is quite interesting, given the often contentious and oft repetitive content that is posted by other readers who "contribute" to your contents (to include pasted url's). Your statement of USA Today policy has been noted and will be complied with. However, I trust that your "moderators" will utilize a more even "handed" approach to such. Quite frankly, it seems from this end that the actions encountered seem to be the result of the effectiveness of the contributions made (as opposed to judicial enforcement of stated policy). This campaign has have to overcome hurdles of exclusivity exercised by the two mainline parties in regards to exposure to the public via media outlets (including yours). Thus we have had to resort to unconventional methods to inform the public about another choice they will have on the ballot on Election Day. I am sorry Mr. Cooper, but this really seems to be another constraint upon providing the citizen, the voter, and most importantly your readers information about their lawful choices. Perhaps naive, but I would have thought that some exception would have been made for a candidate, who perhaps does not have the mega budgets of the Republican or Democratic Candidates, nor the "lions share" of media exposure.


I do appreciate your identification of USA Today's policies and where it stands in regards to making sure that the reader is informed of all its choices.


Links in question were:

http://www. youtube. com/watch?v=NxPrULE6dUU

http://www. bobbarr2008. com

It is my thought that despite the "repetitive" nature (less than 30 posts over a 7 day period) would be contradictory to USA Today's openly stated mission of providing its readers to most and best information available.



Thank You,
Jesse Runions
http://www. myspace. com/bobbarrforpresident

 47 
 on: August 19, 2008, 06:35:58 pm 
Started by mark.d.crowley - Last post by mark.d.crowley
Here is the 2008 Pennsylvania firearms event update for
September.  Like every late summer, you'll see the seasonal
increase in the number of gun shows, but there are a few
shows in Pennsylvania towns that I never knew existed.

With the political season in full swing, if you wish to
arrange a booth or an OPH table, please contact the event
sponsor for their rules and guidelines.  As always, it never
hurts to confirm events as listed.  Forward me appropriate
event information and I'll add it to this list.

Extra points for places I never heard of.

Mark

========================================================

Firearm Events for Pennsylvania - 2008 September Update


August 22, 2008 - Johnstown, PA
Friends of the NRA Event, Christ the Savior Hall
George Evanisko
814-539-2158

August 29-31, 2008 - Allentown, PA
Gun Show, Days Inn Conference Center
Eagle Arms Productions
610-398-2650

August 30-31, 2008 -- Washington, PA
Gun Show, Washington County Fair Grounds
A.R.H Sport Shop
724-948-3571  arhsportshop(at)yahoo.com
http://www.arhsportshop.com

September 6-7, 2008 -- Harrisburg, PA
Gun Show, Farm Show Complex
Mid-Atlantic Arms Collectors
570-679-2250  800-679-2250  maacpsse(at)echos.net
http://www.maacpsse.com/maac.html

September 11, 2008 - Butler, PA (N of Pittsburgh)
Friends of the NRA Event, Days Inn
Terry Beer
724- 272-1671  tbeer(at)zoominternet.net

September 13, 2008 - Imperial, PA (W of Pittsburgh)
Friends of the NRA Event, Days Inn
Bill Thomas
724-695-0581

September 13-14, 2008 -- Greensburg, PA (Westmoreland County)
Gun Show, Westmoreland Mall Annex
PA Gun Collectors Association
412-486-1129  412-531-5087  admin(at)pgca.us
http://www.pgca.us/

September 13-14, 2008 - Greencastle, PA (N of Hagerstown, MD)
Gun Show, Mason-Dixon Auto Auction
Appalachian Promotions
717-697-3088  AppPromotions(at)aol.com
http://www.appalachianpromotions.com

September 18, 2008 - Monongahela, PA (SE of Pittsburgh)
Friends of the NRA Event, Valley Inn Social Hall
Laraine Grcich
724-379-4487  lagrcich(at)comcast.net

September 19-21, 2008 - King of Prussia, PA (near Philadelphia)
Gun Show, Valley Forge Convention Center
Valley Forge Gun Collectors
610-975-0877  www.valleyforgegunshow.com

September 20, 2008 - Kennet Square, PA (N of Wilmington, DE)
Friends of the NRA Event, Red Clay Room
Larry Bickings
610-274-2049  larrybickings(at)comcast.net

September 20-21, 2008 -- Scranton, PA
Gun Show, Days Inn
Appalachian Promotions
717-697-3088  AppPromotions(at)aol.com
http://www.appalachianpromotions.com

September 20-21, 2008 -- Boothwyn, PA
Gun Show, Reliance Fire Company
Appalachian Promotions
717-697-3088  AppPromotions(at)aol.com
http://www.appalachianpromotions.com

September 20-21, 2008 -- Franklin, PA (Venago County)
Gun Show, Volunteer Fire Department
Rocky Grove Gun Show
814-432-3962

September 20-21, 2008 - Center Hall, PA
Gun Show, Grange Fairgrounds
Outdoor Sportsmen's Club
814-404-6933

September 21, 2008 - Mechanicsburg, PA (SE of Harrisburg)
Friends of the NRA Event, Mechanicsburg Sports Assoc.
Kory Enck
717-689-3200  kenck(at)nrahq.org

September 25, 2008 - Indiana, PA
Friends of the NRA Event, Novacel Center
Terri Plyler
724-397-5530 trck(at)localnet.com

September 25, 2008 - Mansfield, PA (Tioga County)
Friends of the NRA Event, Mansfield Hose Company
Jon Banik
570-724-5968

September 25, 2008 - Indiana, PA
Friends of the NRA Event, Novacel Center
Terri Plyler
724-397-2249  1002(at)yahoo.com

September 27, 2008 - Shippensville, PA (Clarion County)
Friends of the NRA Event, Traditions Banquet Center
Dan & Julie Kahale
814-797-2235  jkahle(at)windstream.net

September 27, 2008 - Breezwood, PA (Bedford County)
Friends of the NRA Event, Breezwood Fire Hall
Larry Harclerode
814-847-2838   harclerode(at)yellowbananas.com

September 27-28, 2008 - Hamburg, PA  (W of Allentown)
Gun Show, Field House
Commonwealth Target
570-640-0144

September 27-28, 2008 - Easton, PA  (NE of Allentown)
Gun Show, Forks Township Community Center
Good Knives
610-253-2745

September 27-28, 2008 - Dillsburg, PA  (SW of Harrisburg)
Gun Show, Monaghan Township Fire Hall
Central Pennsylvania Antique Arms
717-307-6983

September 28, 2008 - North Huntingdon, PA (E of Pittsburgh)
Friends of the NRA Event, Stratigo's Carering Center
Dale Emerick
412-580-1642  dale_emerick(at)agilent.com

October 4-5, 2008 -- Carlisle, PA
Gun Show, Carlisle Expo Center
Appalachian Promotions
717-697-3088  AppPromotions(at)aol.com
http://www.appalachianpromotions.com

October 25-26, 2008 -- York, PA
Gun Show, York Fairgrounds
Appalachian Promotions
717-697-2470  AppPromotions(at)aol.com
http://www.appalachianpromotions.com

November 1-2, 2008-- Gilbertsville, PA ( near Valley Forge)
Gun Show, Gilbertsville Fire Co.
Appalachian Promotions
717-697-3088  AppPromotions(at)aol.com
http://www.appalachianpromotions.com

November 8-9, 2008  - Hamburg, PA (W of Allentown)
Gun Show, Hamburg Field House
PA Antique Gun Collectors Assoc.
215-628-4170
http://www.pagca.com/

November 8-9, 2008 -- Philadelphia, PA
Gun Show, Army National Guard
Appalachian Promotions
717-697-3088  AppPromotions(at)aol.com
http://www.appalachianpromotions.com

November 15-16, 2008 - Greencastle, PA (N of Hagerstown, MD)
Gun Show, Mason-Dixon Auto Auction
Appalachian Promotions
717-697-3088  AppPromotions(at)aol.com
http://www.appalachianpromotions.com

November 15-16, 2008 -- Greensburg, PA (Westmoreland County)
Gun Show, Westmoreland Mall Annex
PA Gun Collectors Association
412-531-5087  admin(at)pgca.us
http://www.pgca.us/

November 22-23, 2008 -- Leesport, PA (N of Reading)
Gun Show, Leesport Farmers Market
Appalachian Promotions
717-697-3088  AppPromotions(at)aol.com
http://www.appalachianpromotions.com

November 29-30, 2008 -- Schnecksville, PA (near Allentown)
Gun Show, Schnecksville Fire Co.
Appalachian Promotions
717-697-3088  AppPromotions(at)aol.com
http://www.appalachianpromotions.com

December 13-14, 2008 -- Harrisburg, PA
Gun Show, Farm Show Complex
Mid-Atlantic Arms Collectors
570-679-2250  800-679-2250  maacpsse(at)echos.net
http://www.maacpsse.com/maac.html

December 19-21, 2008 - King of Prussia, PA (near Philadelphia)
Gun Show, Valley Forge Convention Center
Valley Forge Gun Collectors
610-975-0877  www.valleyforgegunshow.com


 48 
 on: August 19, 2008, 04:59:32 pm 
Started by bergie72 - Last post by klapton
Well... Corbet took calls after talking with Barr, so I managed to get on and explain a bit about ZAP before getting cut off for a commercial break and hung up on.

 49 
 on: August 19, 2008, 04:06:12 pm 
Started by bergie72 - Last post by klapton
BAH!

I called in, and they said there wouldn't be listener calls.  Darn!

 50 
 on: August 19, 2008, 03:18:13 pm 
Started by bergie72 - Last post by bergie72
Bob Barr will be interviewed over the phone by local radio host Steve Corbett on WILK radio.  In the northeast, stations are 910, 980 or 1310 AM or 103.1 FM.  You can also catch it streaming on the web at : http://www.wilknetwork.com/.  You may need to join the Insider Club (it's free) to listen over the 'net.

Call in numbers are (570) 883-0098 or (800) 437-0098.

Sorry for the late notice, but it was only announced a few minutes ago.  Thanks!

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